Giving the middle finger to your customers

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Now that Corporate David has been sent on vacation, there’s something that I’ve wanted to discuss recently…and I think I’m going to do so now.

Why my panties are in a wad

There is a trend in part of the online business market that disgusts me! Yes, DISGUSTS! I’m continually seeing people BLATANTLY giving the middle finger to the concept of serving their customers (i.e. customer service).

I’m passionate about the online business and marketing niches! I love them! I also love people and become furious whenever I think they are being taken advantage of.

Not only that, but people FROM other markets look to the online business and marketing ones for guidance and instruction. Because of that, I think there is a higher responsibility to act more ethically…and to not be a bunch of D-bags!

It’s one thing when I get an auto-responder sending me a “Thank you for following me on Twitter. Click on my link!” I still think those are spammy and usually UN-follow the person sending them. However, those are often nothing more than someone getting it wrong and are NOT someone saying “eff you” in the same way that this trend I’m seeing does.

So what is it that disgusts me? What am I ranting about?

Engagement

No, I’m not talking about that time between “will you marry me” and “I do”, which personally I was not a huge fan of. Rather I’m talking about the kind of engagement that all of us in business need to be taking seriously.

I believe this:

If you are attempting to make money in any way at all, then you are also in the business of customer service.

I almost hesitate to use those words since they have been associated with really poor practices for so long. Customer service is NOT calling a number and then being forced to fight your way through the maze of choices in the hopes that you’ll talk to someone who you already know is going to be able to help you. Customer service is not a manager staring at you from behind a counter hoping that you run out of steam so they can tell you that they are sorry that there is nothing that they can do.

I would have thought that no one in the online business world would try and convince you of that. It looks like I might have been wrong.

NOTE: I won’t mention the names of anyone with whom I have issues. (I did that once before and never felt good about that post until I removed it. It’s just not my personality; I’d rather be an ass about a concept and let you figure out who you want to associate with it.)

The awesome

Despite the length of time that I’ve been blogging on this site, I’ve been intensely watching the online business and market arenas for a long time now. Long enough to see new people come and go and persistent people gain amazing followings.

People like Darren Rowse and Tim Ferriss (yes, two completely different personalities) have developed communities around what they are doing. Both of them have been awesome about engaging with people while they do business. True, it might be difficult to get their attention now with so many people IN their communities, but the lines of communication are still open regardless of how clogged they might get. I see both of them responding to people publicly on their blogs and through Twitter.

That is awesome to me! I love that and it drives home to me part of what customer service and engagement need to look like. It’s one of the reasons that I love being in these markets.

Danielle LaPorte recently closed down her comments on her blog. While I’m not personally a huge fan of that move (not judging her, just wouldn’t do it myself), she’s still accessible via Twitter where she follows almost as many people as are following her. I also know for a fact that she responds to email. Again, awesome. (Not to mention the fact that she never comes off as an ass anyways; love her!)

Nathan Hangen totally did away with his blog and has moved to an entirely different model of communication, again with no comments. Yet go over to his Twitter and you’ll see him talking to people there. I also know for a fact that Nathan is another person who is completely accessible and regularly engages with people.

However…

The disgusting

What’s disgusting me is watching people who have come to the scene, used the same methods of building up a community, and then turned around to give people the middle finger. How? By shutting off their lines of communication, trying to guilt people into publicly allowing their lack of customer service by stating they are doing it for some higher reason…but still expecting people to buy their crap.

If someone just wants to create their art without being hindered by those around them, then a good way to do that is to stop selling stuff! Otherwise it’s a business and they’re also creating a product…in which case they need to be serving their customers and not just themselves! It’s selfish and it takes advantage of people.

  • If you want people to give you money (i.e. run a business), you need to be involved in serving your customers!
  • If you shut off your comments but following your link to Twitter reveals that you’re followING count is roughly 3% of your followERS count, then I’m going to start to wonder.
  • If those you ARE following are only the “movers & shakers” of the online world, then I’m going to give you one more chance.
  • But if you’ve shut off the lines of communication at your home base (your site) and I don’t see you reaching out elsewhere to the same people you are trying to sell to…then I’m calling FOUL!

Why the fuss?

This disgusts me because this market is watched by other markets. I’m here because I’m passionate about this stuff. I love marketing and research. I love learning how to start online businesses. I love connecting with people and helping them reach their goals. I love SERVING the people who have paid me with the currency of their attention!

And I hate that if something crappy like this happens HERE then it starts to show up more elsewhere.

The responsibility ultimately falls on those of us who are handing out our attention. When we continue to support those that refuse to support us, we give them our seal of approval. If you follow those people, then you add to their numbers. And like it or not, those numbers give them credibility that they will use to affect others.

The currency of our attention can be MORE powerful than the currency of our money.

The most frustrating part is that I am seeing numerous people applaud these moves. Running a business that eliminates customer service is not applaud-able. Every time I see this now I wanna scream “I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!”

You and me

Are you paying someone with your attention who has no plans to serve you as their customer? Are they just struggling to learn HOW to engage with you…or have they made a decision to give you the middle finger with one hand while extending the other to take your money?

Be mindful of who you support.

As for me, I’ve started UN-following these people on Twitter, RSS, and email subscriptions. I might be only one voice, but I have no intention of my voice giving credibility to anyone who is willing to take my money and write me off as a person. Helping charlatans con others out of their money is not my idea of heroic.

What are you going to do?


  • http://www.stretchd.com Nick Laborde

    Money talks, people who operate like that won’t be speaking with mine.

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      I love when people use their purchasing power to speak!

  • http://wilsonusman.com Wilson

    I this will get some attention and I hope it does, because if one of these people(they know who they are) reads this HOPEFULLY they’ll be smart enough to listen and dumb enough to actually do the right thing.

    I do the same thing man, I’ll go through my twitter list and delete the people that never update their shit and the ones that I say hi to and never say anything back. It kind of worries me, I wonder…Did something bad happened to them? or did they just ignore me?

    Oh well, at least it made it simple to find out if they were real or fake.

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      It does bother me to think that perhaps these people have no intentions of taking advantage of people and just oblivious to how they are coming across. I’d like to think that is actually the case.

      Either way, I can’t watch silently when I see that many people being fooled by something. :(

  • http://abbykerrink.com Abby Kerr

    David –

    I think the appeal of these types of “marketers” is that their approach is so renegade — do what you want, be brazen about it, tell people that you’re not really listening and that they shouldn’t care that much if you are or you aren’t. Very few of us can feel good about getting away with this. I guess that’s where individuality comes into play — if you’ve got the type of personality, mojo, and business model that you can make this hands-off approach work for you, then, you might just be brilliant.

    Start a fight with me. Go ‘head. :)

    – Abby

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      I think if they flat out said “I won’t be listening” I’d actually be fine with it. That’s genuine. But when their message comes across as something more well dressed up (even though they really DO mean “I won’t be listening”) then I have a problem. It will be interesting to see where someone like this is in 2 years. As Gary V says, we have highly tuned BS detectors. It will be interesting to see where these people are in a year or so.

      I think I will stick with people who can’t feel good trying to use this method either way. I highly doubt you are someone I need to worry about. ;)

    • http://www.intentionalinfluence.wordpress.com Timothy Morris

      Ok my first thought was that I am a US Marine Infantryman and I am not picking a fight with Abby Kerr. David You are on your own. So other then that. I love the idea of not only letting your money talk but your attention, time and influence. The crazy thing to me is that they all know this. I have been told for years “a happy costumer will tell 10 people about their experience, but a unhappy costumer will tell 100 people about theirs.” Point – they understand the impact of the influence costumers have.

      I do not pretend to understand them.

      Abby Kerr – I will be following you and from what I have heard I know that I will not have this issue with you. Thanks.

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      MWA HA HA HA!!! Abby and I took this to email and discussed. She’s a very intelligent lady so I was not a-scared.

      Awesome point on the 10 vs 100! It will indeed be interesting to watch and see what happens even a few months from now with the brands of the few people I see blatantly doing this.

  • http://joelrunyon.com/two3 Joel | Blog Of Impossible Things

    Stop Reading My Mind!!!

    The hardest part for me is watching some people act like a customer is an annoyance rather than THE enabler of their lifestyle…the same person that allows them to live the life they want…

    Might be okay for now, but I’d say give it time before your customer’s emotional bank account runs dry from you brushing them off so often.

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      I 100% AGREE! I think it will be very interesting to see what happens when the “emotional bank account” runs dry! I’m curious if people like this will try and re-enter the marketplace or if they will move to another one.

      I don’t think I’m reading your mind but rather am beginning to think we’re clones of each other…albeit you are the more in shape version. LOL

    • http://www.intentionalinfluence.wordpress.com Timothy Morris

      Wait – are you an actual clone David, or is that the other one? So that is where the community of Davids came from. The question I have is which one is the original?

      This is so weird. I bet the machine used to make the clone was shiny. I love shiny things. Look something shiny. Wait you can not see it. It was shiny. Anyway…

      I agree – I hate it when I get drained in my emotional bank account. I leave the bank. It is almost an impulse.

      Talk to you later. This Joel guy I need to follow as well. Sorry, got to go.

      *****There it goes again, it is so shiny*******

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      How do you think I’m up around the clock. You didn’t really think there was just one David who stayed up until 3:30am every night and was at work only a few short hours later every morning, did you?

      Hmm…or maybe the lack of sleep is starting to cause my personality to splinter. Ooh! There should be a really cool movie they make from all of thi…SQUIRREL!!!!

    • http://joelrunyon.com/two3 Joel | Blog Of Impossible Things

      Hi Tim :)

  • http://www.intentionalinfluence.wordpress.com Timothy Morris

    Okay so you are never going to believe this. I commented on a few of the comments made earlier and then decided to give it a test. I went to Chris Guillebeau’s site http://chrisguillebeau.com/3×5/ and sent him a message. Josh Crocker and I are going to his book tour in Philadelphia to meet him on Sept 9th but I have not heard where we are meeting so I sent him an email to ask him.

    Then – with in about 8 mins – He answered with this paragraph long email saying he is really excited about the tour and cant wait to get back to Philly. Then he interacted with my questions and let me know what I need to know.

    That is AWESOME!!!!! – so if you are not already following him hit him up at http://twitter.com/chrisguillebeau

    Awesome just awesome!!!

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      Dude, that is awesome! I love that you were able to connect with a real human and get his responses back. THAT is the type of serving of your customers that I’m talking about!

      I’m also jealous that you are getting to meet him. :)

    • http://joelrunyon.com/two3 Joel | Blog Of Impossible Things

      I actually can believe that…Chris G is just that awesome =) He’s really really good at balancing work with at least responding and talking to his fans.

      P.s. David, why can’t you meet Chris too? He is coming to Dallas you know…

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      WHAT?! WHEN? Gonna go look that up right now and get all the details. SO EXCITED!!!

      And how have I missed that? :: facepalm ::

    • http://www.intentionalinfluence.wordpress.com Timothy Morris

      FacePalm. HAHAHAHAHA love it.

    • http://www.bradleygauthier.com Bradley Gauthier

      That’s a wonderful example of accountability.

      But thankfully there are more stories of horrible interactions, which leave a sour taste in people’s mouths… leaving room in the marketplace for us to swoop in and take a share of the pie.

      ps. great post David

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      HAHA! I love that people are interacting in the comments to the point that I’m just a PS! Love it!!!

      You are right that there are indeed horrible interactions. On my good days, I try and think maybe I caught them on a bad day…most days I find that I jump to the worst possible conclusion though. :(

  • http://www.lifestyleignition.com Mark Lawrence

    “The currency of our attention can be MORE powerful than the currency of our money.”

    Well said David! A quote for the ages. I too agree that blog commenting is a great tool for connections. I am still puzzled by those that have closed commenting. It will be interesting see how the traffic, and connections pan out after the switch.

  • http://www.biggirlbranding.com Cori Padgett

    AMEN BROTHA!!! (All I got, lol.. you said it all!) Cripes..remind me to never ever ever make you mad. ;) I’d feel about 2 inches tall after I’m certain!

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      I’m starting to wonder about myself based on this post and my reply to poor unsuspecting James (MenWithPens) over on LaVonne’s site. I’m hoping I don’t come across as more of an asshole than I am. (Notice that I do leave open the possibility that I am one LOL)

      Maybe I need to talk to Sinclair about the neuroscience behind all this. I think I just get really passionate about things and feel that my thoughts might come across super strong. Like, too many cloves of garlic strong.

      Time to write some super happy posts, yes? LOL

    • http://www.biggirlbranding.com Cori Padgett

      Lol..naa.. definitely not even close to an asshole babe.
      I’m starting to think you couldn’t if you tried! :D And I
      admire fire, so you’ve got my vote either way.

      Ps..did you know your comment box is wonky? I have to
      manually press enter for each line, otherwise each sentence
      I type seems to float under your page and disappear. lol

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      Ya, I just realized the past week or so that the comment box was being a be-yotch. I’m redesigning the site though so it will be going bye-bye very soon. :(

      I think I CAN be an asshole…but I feel awful afterwards so I try and avoid it. LOL I love the vote of confidence though!!

    • http://www.biggirlbranding.com Cori Padgett

      Lol.. well glad you’re aware, but a re-design! Do tell!
      Give us hints! Is it a complete re-do? Similar lines?
      I’m a sucker for designs, lol think I should have been
      one in a past life. :) Unfortunately I’m not the most
      techie, so I leave that to the experts, and just
      harass them with my “vision”. ;D

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      It’s pretty much a complete redesign. I’ve liked this one overall, but it was my first stab in the dark when starting my “online empire”. There are things I’ve loved about it, things I think “meh” on though thankfully very few that I didn’t like at all. You can bet I’ll be still going with a red based design, though maybe a tad bit toned down. I love red, but have wondered if the red background, logo, design, links, etc were a bit much. LOL Also going to totally push the “hero” aspect and have a little fun with that. ;)

      I love design work and do it even for fun in my spare time. Figured it was time to point that energy at this baby and see what would happen. LOL

    • http://abbykerrink.com Abby Kerr

      Here’s my take on “what’s going on.” {Is there something
      going on?}

      *Anytime* anyone in a position of influence {& that
      includes you, because you’re making friends pretty much
      all over the place these days!} puts himself out there with
      a *strong* POV, it’s like an invitation to be argued with. :)
      Not at all saying that’s why James from MenWithPens countered
      your POV over on The Complete Flake, but showing staunch
      support of one end-of-the-spectrum perspective {especially
      if other people are jumping behind it} is like bait…the
      other side feels compelled to jump in as a counterpoint.

      It may be hard to believe that independent retail could be
      controversy-laced, but there are a few topics that really rouse
      the retailer/thinkers: namely, strategies for budgeting/sustaining
      an indie retail shop; how broad one’s merchandise mix should
      be; and when {if ever} to have a sale in one’s store and
      for what reasons. Every time I’ve ever posted or commented
      anywhere about these topics, I can be sure that others are
      waiting in line to patently disagree with me. [sigh]

      You did a nice job in your friendly debate with James in
      providing evidence to substantiate your POV. You made me
      realize how many wild card personalities there are out
      there making it big and coming from a totally authenticate
      & very “them” place. :)

    • http://www.HeroicDestiny.com David Crandall

      Thank you for the encouragement! I definitely tried to make sure the debate was friendly. It’s so difficult to communicate when you are being harsh or just playful when you ONLY have words. Very easy to come off looking like you are being mean when (in your own head), you are being playful.

      I’m discovering more and more that my POV is starting to carry a little bit of weight with some people. Very humbling!!!

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